Full Version: Rochester's abuse of the Hold Out List
Most people probably didn't see it, but Rochester looks like they have been playing really loose with the Hold Out and other list rules. They took Abrams off the hold out list and placed him on active then put him back on the hold out list...come on league don't let them abuse the rules.
QUOTE (Swarm Fan @ Jan 21 2009, 09:19 PM) 
Most people probably didn't see it, but Rochester looks like they have been playing really loose with the Hold Out and other list rules. They took Abrams off the hold out list and placed him on active then put him back on the hold out list...come on league don't let them abuse the rules.
The Marshall Abrams hold out list shell game.
Their shell game with Abrams cost Brock Boyle his job last week as Brock was released due to it. Unfortunately as the link in the previous sentence suggests, there may have been an additional reason for Brock's release but the abuse of the hold out list is still evident.
This description of the various lists was posted by Mammoth GM Steve Govett on the Mammoth message board. It looks like Rochester is following the letter of the law somewhat but the spirit of law definitely seems abused. Teams are only allowed to dress 18 of 23 active rosters players per game, but Rochester is using the hold out list as an additional reserve squad not as a designation to protect players that are unable to play for an extended period of time due to work obligations.
http://www.coloradomammoth.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=927
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Most of the inactive player lists are to designate the status of a player for various reasons that mostly have to do with free agency within the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
The active roster is 23 players and up to three practice players.
The designations within the inactive list are as follows:
Injured Reserve
Draft List
Protected Player List
Physically Unable to Perform List
Hold Out List
Retired Player List
The Injured Reserve or IR is where a player is moved if they have sustained an injury that will take longer than three weeks to heal. The placement on that list is always retroactive to the date of the injury. The Player must remain there for at least 21 days and can be replaced on the active 23 man roster. When the player returns after at least 21 days, you must remove a player from the active roster to make room for the injured player.
The Draft List is where a player would go if he is drafted and unable to or doesn't want to play. Nenad Gajic was on this list for San Jose while he was playing hockey, he then decided to play for us. Players will stay on this list for 2 years from the time they are drafted before they can choose to go elsewhere as a free agent. Within the two years they remain the property of the team that drafted them and can sign to play with them anytime.
The Protected Player List are players that are not eligible for unrestricted free agency that decide in the offseason that they are not going to play for their designated team. If they return they can only return to the team that they were on originally. If they qualify for restricted free agency they can try to sign elsewhere but the team that owns their rights has the right to match. This would apply to players that choose not to play but that are NOT under contract with their team but their rights are owned by the team in question. This would apply to Jay Jalbert and Mike Law.
The Physically Unable to Perform List applies only to players that got hurt outside of their duties to the team. For example in the summer time playing for another team or they fell off their roof cleaning leaves out of the gutter. These players are not under contract at the time of the injury and are unable to perform for the team. The team would not lose their rights in this situation.
The Hold Out List is for players that sign a contract with the team and then for one reason or another can't fulfill that committment. Sometimes players sign a contract and then move because of their job and can't play, sometimes they play some games and the situation changes where they can't attend games for the remainder of the season. These players are put on the inactive roster and remain there until such time as they can fulfill their committment or become free agents.
The Retired list is for players that have signed documents suggesting their retirement. They still remain the property of the team in perpetuity until they become eligible for free agency.
Any of these players and practice players can be activated after the roster deadline as long as they are recorded in your system. This is why you will see a great many ancillary roster moves done in the next two days. We have until Thursday to finalize our rosters. The trade deadline is just that, the final deadline where you can trade between teams, the roster deadline is two days later in order to clean up loose ends with any personel.
You will see some teams sign goalies to their practice roster, if a goalie on the active roster is hurt or suspended after the roster deadline you can only activate someone in your system. Most teams that carry only two goalies on the 23 man roster have a goalie on the practice roster.
Hopefully this answers your questions.
The active roster is 23 players and up to three practice players.
The designations within the inactive list are as follows:
Injured Reserve
Draft List
Protected Player List
Physically Unable to Perform List
Hold Out List
Retired Player List
The Injured Reserve or IR is where a player is moved if they have sustained an injury that will take longer than three weeks to heal. The placement on that list is always retroactive to the date of the injury. The Player must remain there for at least 21 days and can be replaced on the active 23 man roster. When the player returns after at least 21 days, you must remove a player from the active roster to make room for the injured player.
The Draft List is where a player would go if he is drafted and unable to or doesn't want to play. Nenad Gajic was on this list for San Jose while he was playing hockey, he then decided to play for us. Players will stay on this list for 2 years from the time they are drafted before they can choose to go elsewhere as a free agent. Within the two years they remain the property of the team that drafted them and can sign to play with them anytime.
The Protected Player List are players that are not eligible for unrestricted free agency that decide in the offseason that they are not going to play for their designated team. If they return they can only return to the team that they were on originally. If they qualify for restricted free agency they can try to sign elsewhere but the team that owns their rights has the right to match. This would apply to players that choose not to play but that are NOT under contract with their team but their rights are owned by the team in question. This would apply to Jay Jalbert and Mike Law.
The Physically Unable to Perform List applies only to players that got hurt outside of their duties to the team. For example in the summer time playing for another team or they fell off their roof cleaning leaves out of the gutter. These players are not under contract at the time of the injury and are unable to perform for the team. The team would not lose their rights in this situation.
The Hold Out List is for players that sign a contract with the team and then for one reason or another can't fulfill that committment. Sometimes players sign a contract and then move because of their job and can't play, sometimes they play some games and the situation changes where they can't attend games for the remainder of the season. These players are put on the inactive roster and remain there until such time as they can fulfill their committment or become free agents.
The Retired list is for players that have signed documents suggesting their retirement. They still remain the property of the team in perpetuity until they become eligible for free agency.
Any of these players and practice players can be activated after the roster deadline as long as they are recorded in your system. This is why you will see a great many ancillary roster moves done in the next two days. We have until Thursday to finalize our rosters. The trade deadline is just that, the final deadline where you can trade between teams, the roster deadline is two days later in order to clean up loose ends with any personel.
You will see some teams sign goalies to their practice roster, if a goalie on the active roster is hurt or suspended after the roster deadline you can only activate someone in your system. Most teams that carry only two goalies on the 23 man roster have a goalie on the practice roster.
Hopefully this answers your questions.
So Brock needs a team then? It'd be great to see him back here, though it would suck to have to give up someone as well!
QUOTE (niknak @ Jan 22 2009, 08:31 AM)
So Brock needs a team then? It'd be great to see him back here, though it would suck to have to give up someone as well!
For as much as some would like to see Brock back here, I think most are resigned to the fact that there are only the slimmest of chances . . . . No - it won't happen.
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